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Can a Clean Partner Help a Messy Partner Change His or Her Ways?
Posted on Dec 2, 2008 7:30:00 AM  |  By ErinDoland

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After seeing the post Keeping It Cool While Uncluttering with a Partner, a reader sent me an exasperated e-mail begging me to help her change her husband's messy ways. She says that they have had many discussions about his messiness and it hasn't changed his behavior. She ended the message with the following plea:

Surely there are "clean" spouses out there who have succesfully "taught" their "messy" partners to do a better job, or "messy" spouses who have found it within themselves to improve?  What techniques have they used?

After reading her e-mail, I sent her a fairly detailed response. I'm sharing parts of my e-mail to her here because I think some of the techniques might be beneficial for others in a similar situation:

"First, are you sure he knows how to help out around the house? Did his mother always clean up after him when he was growing up? Have you always cleaned up after him during your marriage? The basic reality may be that he doesn't know how to help, or has no experience with it.

Do you have a set time every night when you both pick up around the house? In our house, immediately after dinner, we have chore time. We set the timer (in our case, a playlist on the iPod) and both of us work on chores off a list for 20 minutes. Monday nights we clean up the kitchen (clean out the refrigerator, straighten the pantry, make the meal plan for the week, etc.), Tuesday nights are in the living room (throw out old magazines, vacuum, dust, fluff the couch pillows, etc.), Wednesday nights are in the bathroom, etc. It's a part of our routine and both of us participate. Laundry is done on a set schedule (Mondays and Thursdays) and we load and run the dishwasher every night after dinner -- regardless of how full it is. It also doesn't matter if one of us is clean or messy, because the chores get done and both of us do them. From time-to-time, one of us won't want to do chores because we're in a funk or tired or swamped, and when this happens, the other person usually bribes the other one with goofy things like my husband has agreed to go and see chick flicks with me, and I've offered to do some of his chores for him.

When you ask him to "help out," do you provide guidance for what that specifically means? Do you have a posted list of all the weekly chores that need to be done in your home? If you don't, you should. To create your list, write down chores by rooms in your house. Assign each room a night of the week. Then, split the chores evenly between the two of you and have an official Him list and a You list. After dinner, both of you should take care of the chores on your list. He's aware of what you're doing (because he can see your checklist) and he knows what he should do because has a set of assigned duties to follow. There is no ambiguity. This is a great way to get children and teenagers to help out around the house, too.

Something else to note, when you're first starting the nightly routine, you may not finish all of the chores in 20 minutes. That's okay. Just stop what you're doing after 20 minutes. After four or five weeks of this routine the overall state of cleanliness in your house will significantly improve and 20 minutes will be all you need.

If after all of these attempts your husband refuses to do even 20 minutes a night of chores (which, honestly, is just six or seven songs), then you might ask him to go and get a physical check up. He could have ADD, ADHD, chronic fatigue, or hypothyroidism. If he doesn't have a physical limitation and is just plain disrespectful, then you should seek outside help from a marriage counselor. I don't mean that in a flippant way, either. Respect is the foundation of a good marriage, and if it's not there, your marriage could be in trouble."

What have other people done to encourage others to help out around the house? Please share your ideas in the comments.



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I forwarded this post to my girlfriend this morning because she has trouble keeping me in line when it comes to tidiness. Even though I'm cognizant of my problem, sheer willpower alone has produced the improvement she (and I) would like.

After reading it, she diagnosed my problem as something slightly different than the one discussed here. It's not so much that I won't help her out when she cleans, or vacuums, or shines the kitchen. Instead, I have a hard time remembering not to just leave my dirty dishes on the kitchen counter, or leaving my dirty clothes in a pile in the bathroom.

Any tips (I'm sure there are tons) that don't involve a whip or a Taser?

Posted by: cdt| December 02, 2008 at 04:30 PM




@cdt -- From what you mentioned, the easiest problem to fix is your dirty clothes on the bathroom floor. All you need to do is to put a hamper in the bathroom. You won't have a need to put the clothes on the floor since a dirty clothes hamper will be right there for you to use. Problem solved.

Now, about the dirty dishes ... if you use a dishwasher, then get some sort of identification for the front of it that declares if what is inside is clean or dirty. I found that my husband put dishes on the counter when he didn''t know about the dishes inside of it. Instead of opening and checking, he just plopped his dishes on the counter. So, now we have a small magnet that goes on the front of the dishwasher when there are clean dishes inside the dishwasher, and the magnet lives on the front of the stove when the dishes inside the dishwasher are dirty. Checking to see where the magnet is seems to serve as enough of a reminder to get him to put his dirty dishes inside the dishwasher. Also, I notice he puts away the clean dishes more often now because he knows that the dishes can be put away in the cupboard.

Posted by: Erin @ Unclutterer| December 02, 2008 at 04:53 PM




My boyfriend also has a hard time cleaning up after himself. I tell him that I don't mind cleaning as long as he helped with picking up after himself. We've got the dishwasher thing down now. But he had the same complaint, "Well I don't know if they are clean or dirty" Now, I put a post it (I reuse) on the dishwasher when I start it up and I remove it when I empty it. Now there's no excuse.

My other gripe is the clothes on the floor. I'm tempted to put a hamper beside his side of the bed. He tends to take off his shocks and throw them on the floor or use this one corner to throw clothes onto the floor. I wouldn't have a problem with it if he picked up the clothes once a day and put them in the hamper which is about 10 feet away in the bathroom that's attached to the bedroom, but it's rare when clothes end up in there.

Thanks for the schedule idea. I'm not sure if he will go for it. He doesn't like to be "forced" to do anything. But if I can start there and tweak the system a bit then maybe we can keep our house clean and organized.

Posted by: Cynthia| December 02, 2008 at 06:14 PM




As a messy partner, I don't need to be changed. Maybe you need to loosen up? Life is far too short to spend it all cleaning.

Posted by: desmo| December 03, 2008 at 09:02 PM




@desmo -- It's not about clean vs. messy, it's about respecting your partner. If both people like things messy, then there isn't any problem. If one person likes things clean and the other messy, but the clean person doesn't care about the messy, then again there isn't a problem. The problem arises when one person wants things clean and the other person doesn't respect or care what the other person wants. Then, things are bad and the relationship will be filled with resentment until the situation is rectified.

Posted by: ErinDoland| December 03, 2008 at 11:08 PM




Running the dishwasher every night regardless of how full it is is pretty wasteful. I agree with everything else you said.

Posted by: colleen| December 04, 2008 at 08:46 AM




I solved this problem by designating him a room he can be as messy as he wants in there and he has his own bathroom which i pay someone to clean every week its 10 dollars and what a life saver his only task as far as cleaning goes is he has to do the dishes which shouldn't be a problem because we have a dishwasher but getting him to empty it is a whole other matter not that my solutions are gonna help everyone but this is how i solved this problem

Posted by: Jane| December 04, 2008 at 06:47 PM




I am a messy wife with a not-as-messy husband who would like to keep things nicer & not-so-messy. (My stuff expands around the house seemingly with a mind of its own, although i know better!) Anyway, I would like to change, but the suggestion above seems quite bossy towards the messy spouse & I would balk at being told I had to do something so rigid. I guess it seems like the respect is one way & not the other. Now, I understand this is part of the reason I'm messy & I realize I need to change, but I think this demonstrates the difference in the non-messy-types' mindset....it's so foreign! Perhaps the messy spouse is just more laid back & perhaps the not-so-messy spouse is too obsessive. There must be a happy medium. The bright point in the suggestion above was that you help motivate each other with humor. That helps take away some bossiness, but it still feels like the clean spouse is looking down upon the messy spouse.

By the way, I LOVE Real Simple & blogs like this. Even though I seem negative about this I appreciate the information. I'm always trying to figure out how the "other side" (organized) operates & this helps. I'm messy, but I study & research organizing things as much as I can. (Problem is probably extreme perfectionistic tendencies...must have the perfect solution to everything so the search never ends b/c nothing is perfect)...

Just wanted to post my 2 cents. Thanks!

Posted by: anonymous girl| December 05, 2008 at 01:15 AM




@anonymous girl -- I think it might be helpful to remember that I am the messy one in my home. I have zero natural instincts to keep things clean. All of my suggestions are based on things that worked for me. It's not about me telling my husband to be clean, it's about my husband wishing I were ... and, with time, I have learned how to do it.

Posted by: Erin @ Unclutterer| December 05, 2008 at 09:19 AM




Been there (I'm always the clean one). Two simple steps:

1. Each of you get one room to keep exactly as you want it with no interference from the other.
2. Hire a cleaner.

Posted by: Marc Luoma| December 08, 2008 at 10:43 PM






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